I woke up today and decided that I would make a blog post. Mostly about everything... and nothing.
Ok I lied. I want to share with you some strange things, that are meant to mess with your mind. Ever heard of Schrodinger's cat? Where a cat is put into a box with the lid closed, and at an unspecified amount of time, poisonous gas will pour into the box and kill the cat. When you can't see the cat, and you don't know when the gas will pour into the box -- SO! is the cat dead or alive?
Think about that.
EDIT: Should I repost this, so we can keep debating, or do you want it just to sorta end...?
First of all I think you might be able to hear the cat, but I don't think that's the point... Umm idk isn't that like the if a tree falls in a forest and NOBODY hears it, did it make a noise? Like the cat is obviously either alive or dead, buut for all intents and purposes you might as well make it up cause ur brain can't make a descision... I'm confused
ReplyDeleteExactly. It's a psychological test, where if the cat is going to die, but you don't know when is it alive or dead? Your right though, with the whole 'tree falls in the forest' deal. It's similar to that.
ReplyDeletewell, if you left the cat in the box forever, then opened it up right before the universe either exploded or imploded, there would be a 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999... chance that it would be dead, assuming that the death of the universe happens a LONG time from now.
ReplyDeletealso, you could put a camera in the box.
ReplyDeletei think a camera defeats the purpose :/
ReplyDeleteand i dont get the other thing you said with the 99.99999999 etc.
ReplyDeleteThe whole "tree falls in the forest" deal is stupid, because obviously it makes a sound even if no one can hear it.
ReplyDeletebut THAT's the question. The question is; If matter (or scenarios) are not perceived, do they exist? or, more general, what is existence? Is it when something is simply there, or is it when somebody perceives the fact that it's there.
ReplyDeleteSpace is a good example. 12 billion lightyears away, there is a big blob of stuff in the middle of the universe, (thats 200 million lightyears long, for the record,) but we didn't know about it until recently. Until we knew about that blob of stuff it did not exist, (pay attention here) because we didn't know it was there. Same thing here, if nobody knew the tree fell,it didn't happen, or it didn't exist.
Same with the cat. Is it dead or alive? Since we cannot perceive its existence as a dead cat, or a live cat, it is simultaneously neither, and both.
Kudo's to you if you kept up. I've lost teachers with that speech.
good for you but tbh i think ur saying it in a way to confuse us on purpose :) anywaysss exactly! and scientific things we havent discovered yet dont "exist" yet, but when we discover them they will have existed the entire time...like that crazy blob in space. buttt im not sure if i agree completely, i agree with everything you said except the last sentence of the second paragraph: "Same thing here, if nobody knew the tree fell,it didn't happen, or it didn't exist. " i think that is up to ppl's personal interpretation, and thats why these questions dont have fricking answers! lol :) i like it when you post T, you should more often!
ReplyDeletebtw tbh means to be honest
ReplyDeleteI should post more often. Yeah, I purposefully worded it so it would lose people, not to seem smart, but so they read it again, more carefully and absorb it; not just gloss it over. It is also about personal interpretation of what existence is, I just want you to ask yourself; What is existence to you?
ReplyDeleteidk...i guess to me it basically is that someone/something knows that it is there/it happened...seems weird but its true cause if nobody had any knowledge of it whatsoever i dont think we can say it exists... my opinion though. and it does seem wierd when you phrase it like "if a tree falls in the forest..." because it implies that it is known that it happened, and that kind of ruins it..
ReplyDeleteBut they existed even if humans haven't discovered it! That's pretty egotistic for you thinking that only when we se or hear things do they exist!
ReplyDeleteYou know that old law saying? The one that goes; "Innocent until proven guilty."?
ReplyDeleteThat is essentially the same theory of existence I have. Not real (Innocent) until you have enough evidence to prove real (guilty). In my eyes, its not egotistic -- its simply just the fact that until you can prove its there, or not there, its not real.
Sasquatch and Lochness monster are like that. Nobody can prove they exist, or don't exist, so in my eyes, they simply aren't real, until proven real or unreal.
but whether or not they are guilty, let's say they are, they are still guilty even if they aren't yet proven guilty. I was reading through these with a bigger understanding or the Schroddingers cat theory, so in my opinion you are sightly right...things do not exist to you as an individual until you know that it is there or happening. Nontheless, it still exists even if o one knows about it. See example above.
Deleteso, by your logic, no one in the world is being born unless I know about it.
ReplyDeleteNo, by my logic those babies are being born because someone knows about it. But to you, they arent existing, because you don't know they are. You know they are born, but you don't know they exist
ReplyDeleteLike weird stuff in space. You know it's there, you just can't prove it, and you don't exactly care.
Alternatively, the babies do exist because they are perceived by the mothers. Just not you, so you don't know they exist.
ReplyDeleteRight now, a baby has been born, but I don't know where, what gender, what name, what family, etc. so I don't know it's full existence